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June 2001
Cooperative Food

The Satya Interview with Allen Zimmerman

 


The Park Slope Food Coop in Brooklyn is one of the most enduring and successful cooperatives in the U.S. Membership at the Coop has been growing steadily since its opening in 1973 and the Coop is about to expand its operations into an adjacent building. Samantha Knowlden met Allen Zimmerman, the Coop’s Produce Buyer, to discuss the dynamics of procuring organic produce and working cooperatively with local farms.

How was the Coop was established?
The Park Slope Food Coop (PSFC) was founded by about eight people in 1973 who thought there must be a cheaper way of buying food. The philosophy was for people to get together to own their own food store, to decide what food they’ll carry and who to buy it from, and to save some money.

The Coop went out of business twice in 1973 because they couldn’t get enough people to do the work. Even when people volunteered, you couldn’t be sure if they would show up. After the second time it closed down, a work requirement was established. Scheduled work was deemed more valuable than unscheduled work; that’s how the work slot was created. Mandatory labor was not all that unusual in 1973, but has become possibly unique at this point. Since then, the Coop has been an overwhelming success.

How long have you been at the Coop?
I’ve been a member since 1974. I’ve always wanted to work here and I’ve been an employee since 1988. On my very first day, I was assigned as the produce buyer’s assistant and have been in the produce department ever since. I apprenticed for about seven years as the substitute buyer, so I really learned it from the basement up. I’ve been the Produce Buyer now for seven years and consider myself to still be an apprentice. It’s constant learning.

So what are you learning now?
I’m always learning about what people want. I feel like I’m rediscovering the seasons. I’m always learning new sources and new farms and trying new foods. What people want changes. That will transition me into a branch of say, vegetarian food, like raw food. I try to get the things that I think people who eat raw foods want. So I’m constantly learning.

What do you think has contributed to the success of the Coop?
I think the Coop has done a very good job of helping people feel that they belong to something that’s worth belonging to. I think that member labor is the difference because if you put labor into a place, it’s very different from putting money into a place. Most people work in groups, so you actually get to know people, to see them again and recognize them and have relationships, which for some people are decades old. I think that this form of organization is one of the biggest reasons for success; and things like savings are only secondary. The savings are crazy. The buyer will ask what I’m selling Gala apples for. And I’ll say, “76 cents a pound” and the buyer will say, “That’s insane! You’re just giving them away!” But, we’re still making a 20 percent markup.

How is the Coop able to offer such good prices?
We decided to not make a lot of money. But we’re also big enough to command better prices. It’s not like there is a bidding war for the PSFC’s business. In the supermarket world, we’re tiny. But in the healthfood world, we’re not so tiny. We buy well over 2,000 cases of produce a week. Our good prices are based on really good negotiations with suppliers. I’m not a killer negotiator. I would never call up somebody and say, “If you want our business, you’re gonna have to…” It’s a very cooperative give and take. But we don’t always buy the cheapest. I think first of all, I’m going to try to buy the best. The best is going to be from the best farms. It’s going to be the freshest or possibly from someone who handles it better than someone else. Anybody who does a little bit extra to make sure that we’re getting exactly what we want and takes good care of it may get more business than someone who’s actually selling it for less.

Not every farm is equal. Some farms really care about the quality of their soil and the vegetables they produce. It’s important to know where something grew and if it made sense when it grew there, and who packed it and how they handled it.

I think that some people would be uncomfortable to know that I could get produce for much cheaper than what our local farms will charge. You can’t say you support local farms unless you support local farms by making a commitment and buying from them.

How does the Coop work with local farmers?
I talk to farmers and cooperative consolidators not only to order food but also before the season to plan, letting them know how much we’d be willing to buy each week. It’s about making a commitment, or making no commitment—it is just as valuable to say, “Don’t plant a ton of zucchini like everybody else because I can’t promise that I’ll buy it. But if you plant soybeans, we promise you we’ll buy them.” So even before seeds are bought, we have a relationship. Then I talk to people several times a week to see what’s coming up, to find out what they need help with, to let people know what prices are out there so they can figure out what makes sense for them.

The Coop’s commitment to local farms is an intense one. Local has a kind of large definition though. I like to try to support the little farms that are holding onto their little thing, with golf courses growing up all around them, and I think that’s part of the same thing as supporting a local farm. Right now, for example, Lacinato Kale comes from a giant California grower; but there is one little farm in Florida that did its first kale this week and I feel like I’m buying local when I support Florida against the California giant. A small county farm in Florida is only relatively speaking a local farm in that sense

Have you developed direct relationships with certain farmers and cooperatives?
We have some very long relationships—loyalties—that go way back before I started working here. We have had the same banana supplier and sprouts supplier forever. There are local farms, particularly from upstate New York in the Fingerlakes region, that we have been working with for a long time. We’ve been buying from the Fingerlakes Organic Growers cooperative for 15 or 20 years.

I speak directly to the farmer at Blue Heron farm. There were weeks this winter when there were actually no beets in stores anywhere in the country. This farmer had a few hundred pounds left and so the Coop was able to get beets when no one else could.

Coop members might say, “I think you can get Valencia oranges now, I saw them somewhere else.” And I’ll say, “But I spoke to the people at Sundance Natural Foods in California who pack them and they say they’re not sweet and that we should wait one or two weeks; and they’ll let us know when they really taste good.” So, even off season, I’m talking to someone 3,000 miles away who says don’t buy it, it’s not good enough for the PSFC. That’s great! Right now, I would never carry organic navels because I think it’s late in the season, but the grower said, “They’re going to knock you out, trust me on this one.” So, right now, in the Coop, there are these gigantic navels and they’re fabulous. So there are some direct relationships. We buy almost all the Florida citrus from one guy and we have for over ten years and even in blind taste tests, he wins all the time.

Why is their food so much better?
In the case of Sundance, I think it’s integrity. I don’t think they’re doing a better job than the farm across the street. But if Sundance is saying our oranges aren’t ready, we’re not going to sell them yet. If they don’t want to sell them, I don’t want to buy them. I have a motto: Don’t get in too early and don’t get out too late. It’s OK to wait a week or two. It’s OK if there are cherries someplace else a day before they got to be here.

How do you figure out whether to buy organic or nonorganic produce?
I think where prices are comparable, many members will be happier with organic; but it’s interesting, sometimes when organic food simply disappears, like organic grapes, an amazing number of members buy non-organic grapes. In some cases, if there is a big price difference and we have enough room, I will carry both organic and nonorganic of a product. Occasionally there might be a difference in quality in something that will make people prefer non-organic, for example, non-organic bananas or non-organic grape tomatoes. There are just people who want them so we’ll keep getting them, unless the Coop ever decides to buy only organic. Over 20 percent of the Coop’s produce is still not organic and people are supporting it.

What is the Coop’s policy on genetically modified (GM) food?
Our goal is to label the food on the shelves. In the produce area, there is very little that is genetically modified. I don’t think it’s straight-to-the-table food that is the big deal. It’s the processed, packaged foods that use GM soy and corn. Even organic foods, you just don’t know and you have to assume that almost everything is GM-affected.

What happens with produce that’s going bad that the Coop doesn’t sell?
Any food that we won’t sell, that’s good enough to eat but not good enough to buy, is given to a soup kitchen a couple of blocks away and City Harvest takes the rest. If we don’t think it’s good enough to eat it goes to the Garden of Union which composts it. Very little food makes its way into the city dump. It feels really good when you can maintain your high standards and not feel like you are compromising the store when you give something to a food bank because you are giving them quality food.

To find out more about the Park Slope Food Coop, call 718-622-0560 or visit www.foodcoop.com. The Coop also offers regular orientation sessions and a variety of classes on health and food topics that are free and open to the public, as well as a coffeehouse series of musicians and singers.

 


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